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Twin Turbo!....Twin Superchargers?

3.1K views 80 replies 28 participants last post by  nyte_ryder  
#1 ·
Hey, I liked the post about how to make an NA keep up with a stock TT.
This is something I would like to try and achieve.

Everyone mentioned all the pretty obvious upgrades, but from what I've heard, doing the intake, ECU, UD pulley, Headers and test-pipes/full exhaust will just about do it!

Here's my question.....has anyone ever heard of someone using twin electric superchargers? Before you laugh, check out the site below. I am gonna be getting two of these and custom install them under the front air filter panel (out of sight).

They will only produce 2 lbs of boost at WOT, but they spool up to their full boost in less that a half of a second! Also, they have none of the negative scavenging aspects of a turbo or a belt driven s/charger.

You can use your stock alt. and an Optima battery in place of your stock batt. That is the only necessary upgrade!

Sure, 2 lbs isn't THAT much, but boost is boost. And it is instant boost that does not scavenge ANY power from the motor to create it!

For roughly $700, if you install them yourself, it's a real cheap way to get a 9% RWHP gain. And that 9% applies to whatever other mods you have already done! Say you actually achieve 300RWHP in an NA, if you added this it would go up to almost 330! On pump gas!!!

It may be a while since I have a LOT of other mods to do first, but there will be pics and 1/4 mile numbers when I'm done! Oh yeah, my Z is getting these.......

Click the links below, and BE SURE search the site and watch some of the videos. These things run off of 700 watts, and have a LOT of power!

There is also a pic of a Z32 that has these installed! They are installed right before the upper plenum though. I want mine hidden. (for looks, and races!)

Here's the info:
<http://www.electricsupercharger.com/>


Here's the Z:
<http://www.electricsupercharger.com/images/install/Nissan_300ZX_NA_w-twin_RAMs.jpg>
 
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#2 ·
don't do it!!!! run away now....research on this site. Those electric superchargers have been discussed numerous times before.... You most likely will not be happy. Save yourself time and money and just do the TT swap. It's the most sensible solution.
 
#3 ·
I didn't spend too much time at the site... but

it sure looks the like electrical demands of 1 unit are pretty steep:

Per site specs: "The e-RAM draws 57 Amps from a car battery in the "pre-charged state at 13.88V, resulting in a total power draw of 791 WATTS."

If the plan is to use one on each TB intake --looks like you'll be putting a pretty significant draw on the car's system...



Post Edited (Jan 23, 2:30pm)
 
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#7 ·
If they were that great, don't you think a lot more people would have them? Since NOBODY has them... what does that tell you?
 
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#10 ·
Exactly what "drag" does a turbo put on the engine? Last I checked exhaust was there no matter what...
 
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#11 ·
yeah i agree i saw thatr site a while ago too
 
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#12 ·
OK, you guys can settle down. And idiot....I think not.

These superchargers have been in use for, what did the site say, like 20 years? They must work somewhat? And what about the guy with the Z that DID do it? I sure would like some REAL feedback.....not all the trashing speculation.

What if it DOES work.....oh, yeah spudea....try 20-25hp for two of these, NOT 6. Please......

Just though I'd post on these to see the feedback. Guess it's not what I expected. Just because something's different, or new and unique, doesn't mean it won't work. It's true that 2 of them would put about 1400 watts worth of drain on the elec system, but so does a good stereo! And as cool as a good stereo is, it adds weight and doesn't add speed :)... Not to mention that a stereo can draw well over 50 amps, for an extended period of time. This is only on for seconds at a time. How long do you TT guys let the boost flow? 5-7-10 seconds maybe? I still rest my case on these...Being an automotive electronics installation specialist for over 12 years, I think it's a wise area to get boost, the voltage is there anyway.

And the drag I meant on T-Turbo was that it uses HOT exhaust air, while somewhat slowing the exhaust air down...decreasing efficiency.

I mean, you don't get something for nothing. The boost costs you somewhere ya know.

Believe me, I am NOT EVEN knocking the T-Turbo....matter of fact, someday I hope to buy one. I just thought for the NA guys this might be cool.

I'll wait for more posts and make up my own mind....If I do it, there will be some ACTUAL answers coming up.....

Later
 
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#13 ·
I believe this is the worst idea in the history of mankind. Just because it's been around for 20 years dosen't mean that people have been using it for that long. If this were such an awesome idea, why aren't race cars using them. And finally, how many ricers have you seen with these? Even ricers know that this is gay.



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#14 ·
"try 20-25hp for two of these, NOT 6"

OMG!

<http://www.electricsupercharger.com/dyno.shtml>

the highest gain out of all of those vehicles was 8hp! Most were around 6hp. IMO you can get more power out of other mods for $700. But do what you want.
 
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#15 ·
I in no way mean/want to flame you......please just spend a good few hours on a google search on "electric supercharger" and then make your decision. We're just trying to save you a lot of money here, that's all.

BTW, I shamedly admit I bought one of these a few years ago for $200 for my old DD Talon. I bought it before doing ANY research on them....well, let's just say it's been in the box it came in, in the basement, since I got it. I feel too bad to even try & resell it on ebay. Just my $.02.
 
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#17 ·
Ya, you can use it in conjunction with the TT fuego.

And spudea, I see the 10 HP claimed at the bottom. Remember, I'm thinking about doing 2, this will double all those numbers.

AND, you have to consider the cars they dyno'd. It is 9% gain of what you are starting with! Those cars are starting out with like 200-205. It is relative to what you are starting with! Like I said originally, if you actually get an NA up to 300hp by way of other mods, 9% of 300hp PLUS 300hp = 327HP!

And if you only get to 280hp through other means.....9 % of 280hp PLUS 280hp = 305.2HP

And Zdude32, was the one you bought EXACTLT one of these, or the junk copy of it?
 
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#18 ·
The thing that you're not considering is the electrical draw of the motors is still a significant power loss on the engine. Like you said, energy doesn't come from nowhere with the turbos, it takes energy to spool them up. It also takes mechanical energy to turn the alternator and feed the battery which runs the superchargers. I would guess that almost any wheel HP that you're gaining is being lost driving the superchargers, since you're only getting 2 lbs of boost and drawing 700 W.

But like someone said before, it's your Z and you can do what you want. Just make as informed a decision as you can!
 
#19 ·
Copy. Also, these things can only be used in brief spurts in case you didn't know. But, goodluck w/whatever you decide to do.
 
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#21 ·
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I don't know......

-up to 27hp
-9% Gain
"Measured at the wheels"

I guess I'm torn. You all will shun me, yet I can't live without KNOWING.....

They make it, they mesure it, they sell it. If I can get even CLOSE to 27 for $596, I'm doin it!


After all, it says "GUARANTEED" twice! lol :)
 
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#22 ·
Fucking tard.......I've got a better idea....buy the sticker so you can show it to your ricer friends....and send me the rest of the money. I'll put it to much better use since you obviously can't be trusted with it. Honestly.....do you really expect this to work? Why not just get some No2 for that price.....??
 
#23 ·
Whoa there dumdogg123.....

No reason to get hostile. Oh, and I don't have any "ricer" friends. All the car dudes I know would rather buy a Chevy. Sorry they'll never know the pleasure of a Z.

And, I CAN be trusted with money, but I actually make some. Where's your pics? Look at the newest post up top. Ya, she's mine!

I don't use junk on my car, and want to know for sure if these chargers work. I wanted honest opinions, not mindless bashing and foul mouths....

Take that @!$%* somewhere else dum-dogg.

Thanks "everyone else" for really giving it some thought. I guess you need a mind to think though..........

Maybe him and NightRiderZx should hang out!
 
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#24 ·
nyte ryder...

let me apologize...i thought that you was joking when you was posting about this "thing"

if you are looking for more power and dont really understand why this thing wont work,go to your local Books A Million and look in the transportation dept for a book on forced induction.

if you stick around for a year,i guarantee you that you will laugh at your own post.
 
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#25 ·
I really did laugh at first. I'm no dummy. But 2 lbs is 2 lbs, and I'm not talking about one of these:
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7948959888&category=33741>

There's a lot of absolute junk out there, such as the above and others just like it. I would laugh at that too. The eram is different though. Did you watch the videos of the one that blew a duralog clear accross the shop floor? or the vidoe of the whole wupercharger flying up in the air under it's own power? I mean c'mon, it's gotta be at least a little better than nothing.


Here is a different kind, different concept. Just to prove I'm not the only one out there that thinks this will work:
<http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0406tur_knight/>
 
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#26 ·
why do you think everyone is telling you they aren't worth ****? It's not just me...and you never answered my question about the No2....it might not look like much.....but at least I'm not considering putting an electric supercharger on it... :)

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