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79 280zx n/a runs rich with no power after 1/4 throttle

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2.3K views 26 replies 6 participants last post by  RightHandriver  
#1 ·
Hi guys, I've been searching as much as I can think and understand to look for in the last 2 weeks for these specific issues.

I got the car at the start of June. Wasn't running, but just needed the fuel regulator turned up. Turns out the PO took out almost everything it didn't need to run. Ac and heater is gone, no steering(not sure if it ever had it). I'm assuming egr was plugged off but can't tell if it's the aac/aacv after more research. Vacuum hoses have been disconnected and plugged, with some just running open. Air filter is gone as well, with holes drilled into the exhaust near the muffler.

I started cleaning it, replacing parts (spark plugs/wires, dizzy cap and rotor, new fluids minus diff and transmission, valve gasket, aftermarket fuel regulator with gauge, fuel filter, silicone boot from afm to tb) and started working on making sure everything ran as it should.

I first started with the valves as it was noisy. Found out the minimum gap was .005 wide thanwhat factory was, and most being .008 wider. I ran again to hear it running terribly. Checked the timing and saw it was at least set to 20° btdc. The dizzy was even adjusted to sit outside of its mounting/adjustment holes. Got it back to 10° btdc and adjusted idle speed as well. (After seeing everything worsen, ) I have checked and bought a replacement afm, only to find it my original was just fine. My throttle position sensor had wot signal at around 10° past idle, but has been adjusted and cleaned.

After everything I did, it now runs worse than when I got it. I've turned down the fuel to roughly 22-25psi so the engine can properly function for tests. And I know for sure I still have vacuum leaks that are throwing it off. I'm having trouble finding and understanding the vacuum diagrams for this so I can get started on a more correct path. As well as anything you guys can think of that could be causing these issues.

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#23 ·
I think I know what's causing the issue I talked about earlier in my car and it could be the problem with your car since it sounds like our cars are doing the same thing. Today my car was sputtering at low rpm and died at a light. I missed a whole light cycle (stuck at the front of the line, I'm sure the people loved me) and then it finally barely started. Went through the turn with zero power and no revs to give, then it just backfired crazy loud and spit a cloud of smoke out the exhaust and instantly got its power back. Like something an uncle would be driving in an 80's movie. Is this similar to what you're experiencing? My friends brought some ice to cool down my fuel rail and it got me home with no problems. I guess I'll be making or buying a fuel rail LOL
 
#3 ·
check the plugs, if fouled and black smoke coming out. prob rich, check the CHTS, make sure it matches the resistance/temp curve in the FSM, check it at the ECU connector. Make sure you disconnect the battery and the key switch is off before disconnecting the ECU connector. Do not mess up the connector by pressing too hard to get a reading, use a thin wire that is just tight enough to fit.

if resistance values are wrong, you will need to start by checking the sensor and then the wiring. Look for corrosion.


Whenever disconnecting or connecting the 35 pin connector, ign off, battery disconnected.
 
#5 ·
Your fuel pressure is low. It should be 30 at idle. The PCV hose on the valve cover is cracked and is probably leaking. If you have vacuum leak (you mentioned) it will run lean plus low fuel pressure will make it leaner'er. The missing vacuum hose in the second to last picture should have a hose that is "T"ed into the small hose on the right side of the intake manifold near the EGR.
That tank by the light in photo 3 is a vacuum reservoir. The two solenoids, one if for supplying vacuum to the HVAC system in your dash when you turn it on (missing hose, this is a vacuum leak). The other is for the device that increases the engine RPM when you turn on the A/C. That is the hose that is still hooked up to the intake manifold. (the other small hose in second photo).
I see you have a high performance paint job on the valve cover !
 
#8 ·
Ok, so I pulled the spark plugs and are covered in carbon. Checks out so far. My car doesn't have a CHTS, but I did check the thermotine and that seems to be well. I didn't check too much on the CVS tonight, but will get to it when I can.
The vacuum lines to the tank didn't do much when moving them around, so I took them out and plugged the two ports. it idles a bit better now, but it still runs rich. I now have it set to 28-30 psi fuel pressure at the regulator, but bogs heavily and runs around 300 when set to 36. Wot in neutral only revs up to 5000 rpm now and my idle is starting to sound like a rotary now. So some improvements with more questions now lol
 
#12 ·
Ok, with work, I didn't get as much time to work, but I have replaced the pcv(?) Hose that was cracked from the valve cover as well as both hoses to the air regulator (which was also checked for function). New silicone hose for afm to air intake. Temporary air filter will be bought tomorrow as well.

I have the FPR vacuum hooked to the intake, and the dizzy and the part that touches the throttle linkage (can't remember the name) next to dizzy is all hooked together into the throttle body. The hvac vacuum lines I've left as is now. And I guess my checks weren't good enough, as one of the sensors at the thermostat was disconnected and missing its retaining clip. I've got new sensor connectors ready to be installed for tomorrow, so that won't be an issue again.

It is starting to run better now, but when fuel is set to 36 psi, idle drops to 3-400 and idle adjustement screw won't help. I'm pretty sure now a large amount is due to lack of air filter which I haven't been able to find oem replacements or similar for a ridiculous amount, but the temporary should get me closer
 
#13 ·
Air filter should not cause this issue. Yes the coolant temp sensor and the CHTS are basically the same thing. You made it sound like you had nothing hooked up.
Have you done ALL the checks from the 35 pin connector at the ECU? That is VERY important as it checks the sensor/device and the wire to and from the ECU to said sensors/devices.
So you have turned the idle adjustment screw all the way and your engine idle doesn't change?
 
#18 ·
Ok, quite a bit to deal with on this. All of the blue marks are what read wrong/ didn't read (water temp sensor and air temp sensor didn't read, so didn't do a full check, steps 8, 9, and 12) so if I'm understanding right, there's either a short or a ground is hooked up where it shouldn't be? I didn't have time to check other things, only got the ecu checked

Would it be simpler if I removed the engine wiring harness, checked over wires, and reinstall it? (If other ways aren't the best option)
 
#19 ·
Some of your issues may be badly corroded electrical connectors. You need to check/clean/replace anything related to anything on the engine to ensure you have good connection between the device and the ECU.
I have removed an entire electrical harness from a 1983 to look for issue. I unwrapped the entire harness. I used tie wraps to mark where wires split off the main harness so I could wrap it correctly. The most difficult part is reinstall and getting the main harness back where it belongs where it goes thru the firewall. FYI I found no issues with the harness. my issue was bad connectors and a bad ECU. It took me 5 weeks of checking and re-checking to figure it out.
Finish the checks from the 35 pin. It is had to believe that you would have more than a coupe of bad readings. If the device/sensor checks out then I would trust the wires and be suspect of the electrical connectors unless you have evidence of mouse munching! They are evil little critters.
 
#20 ·
Hmm, alright. Good thing I bought new injector/sensor/afm connections last week! As far as I can tell, there aren't any damage from rodents, thankfully. It would be nice to go that in depth, but that sounds like a winter project lol.

I think today I'll recheck the ecu, then attach new connectors, clean male end to those connectors, check ecu again. And hopefully fix most of the issues. Will stay posted!
 
#22 ·
Ok well I decided to just take it out for ease. Rechecked the ecu, everything read the same as before. Went through and soldered on new connections, checked that each were wired properly, rechecked the pins and nothing has changed. I've removed some of the coating and checked wires, but haven't found anything yet.

The WTS is showing continuity through pins 14 and 15, instead of 14 and 49 as my wiring diagram shows. I'm thinking my thermotine and WTS are bad (if that wiring is correct), as I'm still reading 0 at both of them. There's no reading for the heater coil now, when there was on my first check

There's still power being found in grounds 15, 19, 20, and 22 ranging from .8-1.6 which I haven't found any reason for either.

I'll get back to it later tomorrow
 
#24 ·
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Here's a stock 79' engine.

Your engine has a vacuum hose going that valve on the throttle-body that should have nothing connected to it.

Have you checked the distributor vacuum-advance to see if it's leaking? Due to the age of these engines the inside-diaphragm cracks and leaks. A hand-held vacuum-pump will be needed to find out if it's bad.

If no A/C or heater disconnect the hose going to the vacuum-tank and plug it.

Also if you have not steering, how do you turn the car?
 
#26 ·
Thanks man, it's been a wreck trying to undo the po work from all of this.

I haven't messed with the internals of the distributor, just a bit weary on working with it lol, but will defintley be the next thing to check.

The last person I discussed about the ac vacuum really skirted around answering that question from me. That makes much more sense now

And as for steering, I just crank it hard in low speeds. There were the 280zxr that had a limited release that didn't include power steering, just gotta find it if mine was I've if then lol