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Re: GM says it "disappointed" and "betrayed" consumers

Well, here goes:
Mother's car - needs new brakes every 20k miles, olds did not put big enough breaks on the vans
Wife's car - has a blown head gasket, and a class problem on the buick trans, so it shifts like someone rear ends you. Kinda annoying on a auto sports car, totally a PITA in a Buick Century.
Inlaw's car, rendezvous, not too bad so far, only one harness plug and a class problem on the wheel bearings.
First car, 125k miles, Plymouth sun dance, spun a crank bearing.

Granted, my Celica needed a new trans after 260k miles, esp considering I was new to manuals, first sporty car, and I got it and drive it for 2 years without any oil in the trans.

And only my 300zx has had any other sort of issue, clutch, MC, and front rotors, all in 2 years. 240z, 280z, both great.
 

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keyser soze Wrote:
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> I believe the previous poster who said it's just
> an "advertising mind game."
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> Funny thing is,
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> after the begging of government cheese, and a few
> years down the road, these Executives will jump
> ship/company with their ridiculous compensation
> package. Not their problem anymore.
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> Support America ---->buy a Toyota Camry, Tundra,
> Honda Accord...
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> Support Mexico/Canada ---->buy GM/Ford





Toyota's Woodstock plant opens, RAV4 now Canadian made.

It's Toyota's first new Canadian plant investment in nearly 20 years. The automaker's new Woodstock plant, located in Woodstock Ontario, officially opened Thursday, December 4th. The plant will produce, among other models, the new Toyota Rav4. The updated bestseller was introduced earlier this year with several engine and styling upgrades, as well as reduced fuel consumption and increased safety.

2009 Toyota RAV4

"On behalf of our network of more than 230 Toyota Dealers across the country, we are pleased that the RAV4 vehicles sold in Canada will be made in Canada," said Mr. Yoichi Tomihara, President and CEO of Toyota Canada Inc. "At Toyota, we are committed to building our most popular models in the markets where they're sold focusing on quality and safety. With the official grand opening in Woodstock, Toyota now builds four models in Canada, which together represent almost 50 per cent of our total sales in this country."

The car-based RAV4 SUV was first introduced in 1996, and it's been a hit ever since- selling over 1,600 units this November alone. The popular model joins the current lineup of "Made in Canada" Toyotas, including the Corolla, Matrix and RX350 from Lexus.




BTW non union plant.
 

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I challenge _ANY_ foriegn pickup truck to bring home the load of wood I got tonight in my 94 F-250 Ford 4x4 (loaded to the point of falling out), and pulling a 16'x7' utility trailer loaded similarly.

You all seem to have big problems with the good reliable vehicles that my wife and I have for daily drivers......a 99 Chrysler Town/Country minivan, and a 97 VW Cabrio. We haven't had any problems with any of our vehicles in fact, it was always the Datsun Zs that were leaving my stranded.
 

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I am of the opinion that G.M. and the other american car companies did not care and still do not care about the quality and warrenty of the vehicles they produced. Now they will say anything to get help but they didn't care before. Sweeeet. Pucker up Fellas. lol

I will be using imports loosely but they are made in the U.S.

If they did they would have matched the powertrain warrenty with the import vehicles they were supposed to be in competition with. They were not in competition with the imports they have been trying to catch up. It wasn't until a few years ago that Chrysler did the 100,000 mile warrenty. How do they expect to have a loyal following and or rebuild one, if they don't match the imports warrenty. Come on now, 3 years 36,000 mile powertrain warrenties don't work. Imports: 5 years 60,000 miles. Hyndai 10 years, 100,000 miles.

Hyndai, The crappy car producing company of the late 80's has totally transformed itself with that warrenty. The Big 3 could honestly start with that.

They also did not care about customer satisfaction until a few years ago also. Mainly dealing with Surveys:

Import car companies have been mailing surveys to customers who bring there cars in to an import dealership, for whatever reason. Now this applies mostly to cars under warrenty but they also send them out to customers out of warrenty. They have been doing this for more than 10 years. Why? they want to know how there customers are being treated. What they need to change and what dealership Franchise will be pulled if they don't correct there customer satisfaction scores. How was the visit?. How were you treated, Was the car fixed right the first time, How was the waiting area, Was the car clean when it was returned to you, were you called and were the repairs explained to you fully before the work was performed, and so on.

I have been an automechanic for 23 years, Loved cars in general before I could walk. Worked on Domestics,Imports and Exotics, currently am a Nissan Tech. I know techs who work for Ford and Chrysler dealerships, so I hear the stories on a regular basis. I love 50'to 70's American Muscle cars. When asked what cars I would recommend to family and friends buy. Imports hands down.

Now I know the job loss of The Big 3 possibly going under would send this country into a deeper recession. Probably taking 5 years to climb out of, but they had better step up there game. Especially to get customer loyalty and satisfaction back. Do I think they can do it, yes. Chrysler did it in the 80's so it can be done.
 

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GM'S COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE

Read it for yourself and decide:

GM'S COMMITMENT TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE


We deeply appreciate the Congress considering General Motors' request to borrow up to $18 billion from the United States. We want to be sure the American people know why we need it, what we'll do with it and how it will make GM viable for the long term.

For a century, we have been serving your personal mobility needs, providing American jobs and serving local communities. We have been the U.S. sales leader for 76 consecutive years. Of the 250 million cars and trucks on U.S. roads today, more than 66 million are GM brands - nearly 44 million more than Toyota brands. Our goal is to continue to fulfill your aspirations and exceed your expectations.

While we're still the U.S. sales leader, we acknowledge we have disappointed you. At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs become lackluster. We have proliferated our brands and dealer network to the point where we lost adequate focus on our core U.S. market. We also biased our product mix toward pick-up trucks and SUVs. And, we made commitments to compensation plans that have proven to be unsustainable in today's globally competitive industry. We have paid dearly for these decisions, learned from them and are working hard to correct them by restructuring our U.S. business to be viable for the long term.

Today, we have substantially overcome our quality gap; our newest designs like the Chevrolet Malibu and Cadillac CTS are widely heralded for their appeal; our new products are nearly all cars and "crossovers" rather than pick-ups and SUVs; our factories have greatly improved productivity and our labor agreements are much more competitive. We are also driven to lead in fuel economy, with more hybrid models for sale and biofuel-capable vehicles on the road than any other manufacturer, and determined to reinvent the automobile with products like the Chevrolet Volt extended-range electric vehicle and breakthrough technology like hydrogen fuel cells.

Until recent events, we felt the actions we'd been taking positioned us for a bright future. Just a year ago, after we reached transformational agreements with our unions, industry analysts were forecasting a positive GM turnaround. We had adequate cash on hand to continue our restructuring even under relatively conservative industry sales volume assumptions. Unfortunately, along with all Americans, we were hit by a "perfect storm." Over the past year we have all faced volatile energy prices, the collapse of the U.S. housing market, failing financial institutions, a stock market crash and the complete freezing of credit. We are in the midst of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression. Just like you, we have been severely impacted by events outside our control. U.S. auto industry sales have fallen to their lowest per capita rate in half a century. Despite moving quickly to reduce our planned spending by over $20 billion, GM finds itself precariously and frighteningly close to running out of cash.

This is why we need to borrow money from U.S. taxpayers. If we run out of cash, we will be unable to pay our bills, sustain our operations and invest in advanced technology. A collapse of GM and the domestic auto industry will accelerate the downward spiral of an already anemic U.S. economy. This will be devastating to all Americans, not just GM stakeholders, because it would put millions of jobs at risk and deepen our recession. By lending GM money, you will provide us with a financial bridge until the U.S. economy and auto sales return to modestly healthy levels. This will allow us to keep operating and complete our restructuring.

We submitted a plan to Congress Dec. 2, 2008, detailing our commitments to ensure our viability, strengthen our competitiveness, and deliver energy-efficient products.

Specifically, we are committed to:
- produce automobiles you want to buy and are excited to own
- lead the reinvention of the automobile based on promising new technology
- focus on our core brands to consistently deliver on their promises
- streamline our dealer network to ensure the best sales and service
- ensure sacrifices are shared by all GM stakeholders
- meet appropriate standards for executive pay and corporate governance
- work with our unions to quickly realize competitive wages and benefits
- reduce U.S. dependence on imported oil - protect our environment
- pay you back the entire loan with appropriate oversight and returns

These actions, combined with a modest rebound of the U.S. economy, should allow us to begin repaying you in 2011.

In summary, our plan is designed to provide a secure return on your investment in GM's future. We accept the conditions of your loan, the commitments of our plan, and the results needed to transform our business for long-term success. We will contribute to strengthening U.S. energy and environmental security. We will contribute to America's technical and manufacturing know-how and create high quality jobs for the "new economy." And, we will continue to deliver personal mobility freedom to Americans using the most advanced transportation solutions. We are proud of our century of contribution to U.S. prosperity and look forward to making an equally meaningful contribution during our next 100 years.

Link: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/12/08/289206.html
 

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Screw GM. Bought a 1976 K5 Blazer. 350 4 bolt main, 350TH tranny, NP 203 10 bolt front axle, 12 bolt rear. Tranny died on me.

1980 CustomDeluxe 4x4. 454, 400TH, NP205 10 bolt front 12 bolt rear

Last one I bought was a 1987 K5 Blazer, 305HO, 700R4, NP 208, 10 bolt front and rears. Tranny died on me. Then the NP 208 transfer case. Then the electronics, Then the engine. THEN, the rear axle. Truck was absolute junk compared to the older models.

Have a buddy that owns a stereo shop. They laugh when someone brings a Vette in. The UAW people cram trash and garbage under the dashes of Vettes just for laughs. The stereo people are the ones that get the trash out of Vettes. My heart bleeds when I hear of the little UAW workers who are worried about buying Christmas presents for their kids. awwww.
 

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"At times we violated your trust by letting our quality fall below industry standards and our designs became lackluster."


The statement of the past 100 years.
 
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Honda Accords were KNOWN for having auto tranny failures in the late 90's especially on the 4cylinder trannies. My buddy had to have THREE auto trannies put in his 1998 Honda Accord. Only ONE was covered under warranty.

He now drives a ....drumroll please....Hyundai Sonata did I mention he also SOLD Hondas for 20 years????
 

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The big American car makers operate on "planned obsolesence" ti get the buyer to trade in every four years.

Vehicles were designed to need to be traded sooner, and they were designed to be mass produced a s cheaply as possible and made more complicated to have to be repaired by "authorized dealers".

Unions didn't help either.

You reap what you sow.
 

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> You reap what you sow.

Thump that bible for those in the back of the congregation! ;)

The 90s GM cars were the absolute worst. You couldnt build a crappier car by accident. Drive down the road and the paint would literally peel off.

And someone will say, "Well thats true, but now the cars are better quality..."

And I will have to say that the Mexicans can build a better quality car than the UAW! Astonishing! The Heartbeat of America is now El Corazon de Mexico!
 

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While some or even much of GM's letter might be true, I see it more like a POW's forced confession. The only way for the big three to survive is to bow down and agree with whatever the government wants them to do. If that means "confessing their sins" in a public forum, then that's what they will do.

Yes, GM is in grave danger, but take a look around the world right now. Toyota, Nissan, and Honda are cutting way back, Honda is dropping their F1 program, the Chinese car companies are in trouble, and all the European auto companies are receiving government help as well. The way we (all people) do business must change. We became overextended to the point of collapse when things began to go south. This isn't GM's fault, it's the mentality of people today. Once everyone takes their lumps and things settle down, the economies of the world can start over. Things will be done differently and credit will be harder to come by, but people will adapt and things will improve. If GM weathers the storm, they might once again make lots of profit. Only time will tell.
 

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"I have personally put on over 307,000 miles."

307 is good. I only got 214 out of my 93 Suburban. Paint was pealing but it ran fine until the rod started knocking.
 

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Business as Usual, yes?

The Bathtub Test

During a visit to the mental asylum, a visitor asked the Director 'How do you determine whether or not a patient should be institutionalized'

'Well,' said the Director, 'we fill up a bathtub, then we offer a teaspoon, a teacup and a bucket to the patient and ask him or her to empty the bathtub.'

'Oh, I understand,' said the visitor. 'A normal person would use the bucket because it's bigger than the spoon or the teacup.'

'No.' said the Director, 'A normal person would pull the plug. Do you want a bed near the window?'



They are using teaspoon because it way always done, yes?
 

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burned up people with the gm exploding saddle bag tanked truck and folks who died when the door opened on their car and the seatbelt anchored to the same door was not around to hold them inside the car are just a few betrayed people I can think of.

Let them all go chapter 11 and sort itself out.,... that is why we have chapter 11 and bankruptcy mechanisms.... having the govt give our money to the people, banks, car manufacturers etc is even worst that communism and socialism and undemocratic and uncapitalistic!!! I can't believe what I am witnessing!!!

Welfare for everyone... just give everyone a money printing press and problem solved. Money does grow on trees. All this time I never knew it!
 

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> Welfare for everyone... just give everyone
> a money printing press and problem solved.
> Money does grow on trees. All this time
> I never knew it!

I've got my wheelbarrow ready to haul around a pile of deflated dollars. No more money belt.
 

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Blue Wrote:
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> burned up people with the gm exploding saddle bag
> tanked truck and folks who died when the door
> opened on their car and the seatbelt anchored to
> the same door was not around to hold them inside
> the car are just a few betrayed people I can think
> of.
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> Let them all go chapter 11 and sort itself
> out.,... that is why we have chapter 11 and
> bankruptcy mechanisms.... having the govt give our
> money to the people, banks, car manufacturers etc
> is even worst that communism and socialism and
> undemocratic and uncapitalistic!!! I can't
> believe what I am witnessing!!!
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> Welfare for everyone... just give everyone a money
> printing press and problem solved. Money does
> grow on trees. All this time I never knew it!

Potentially $8.4 trillion in earmarked funds for bailouts on an economy worth only $13 trillion a year....dumbestone will need a dump truck not a wheelbarrow. That will put the national debt at ~$18 trillion unless taxes are raised substantially. The future is a bright one....can you say International Government Agency?
 

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You better have a trade or some stuff tucked away for bartering!
 

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> You better have a trade or some stuff tucked away
> for bartering!



Proctolgie is trade...
 

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If the money isn't spent, or is spent poorly there will be stagnation or deflation with no new work (Depression). It is all bad news for a while either way. You might want to get into the alcohol business. When the government decides to make alcohol illegal because it is "suppressing the will of the people to be productive", even though the lack of jobs is the cause, you can open a speakeasy and run booze across state lines in a modified 240Z. It would have to be orange with a Japanese flag on the roof and named the Taisho Katayama.
 

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Even Santa Helper Gear Shrink This Year, Yes?


This have nothing to do with topic but is nice picture to distract from
depression comings worldwide...
Happy Holadies!
 
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