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I need for everyone to write to Nissan and tell them that the Z-Concept car engine should be a six cyl. and not the four that is out of the 240SX. The Z needs an engine that will be able to keep up with the American and Euro performance cars out there. If the Z takes the path of a small engine then it will have a hard time being taken seriously and end up being grouped with cars that are just for transportation and not for what the Z has stood for in the past: the ultimate, the final word. The Z-CAR should have a larger engine on the order of 4+ liters. Please write Nissan and let them know what you think bad or good. before it goes into production and we have no more say! The address for Nissan in the U.S. is Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A.

Attn:Customer Affairs

P.O. Box 47060

Gardena, CA 90248

OR for all of North America

Nissan North America,Inc.

Attn:Corporate Communications

P.O. Box 191

Gardena CA 90248-0191

To find out more about the Z-Concept car go to www.nissan-na.com the go to nissan news.
 

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The last nail in Nissan's coffin

I understand your fear the Z will become another repackaged classic that never lives up to it's name, but if you haven't noticed, Nissan is about to go under financially. If they came out with a Z that will be the king of the hill sports car to live up to the Z name, it would have to have lots of horsepower, awesome handling, and probably a lot of extra niceties. And those cars don't come cheap, so they'd be looking at low volume/high price car much like the last 300ZXs were.

I know it will be an embarrasment to those who know what a Z used to be to have a repackaged 240SX called a Z, but what would you find more embarrasing, a half-hearted Z or Nissan no longer making cars anymore? Studabaker used to make awesome cars. Used to.

If I were actually in the market to buy a brand new car, I might write Nissan and tell them what I would like to see in a Z, but I'm willing to guess most of the people reading this forum aren't too interested in buying a new $30,000 Z, which is probably what a respectable Z would cost today.

But, hey, this is just my opinion, no offense to you Ranma, I don't see any reason why writing Nissan would be a bad thing. If enough people show interest in purchasing a more performance-oriented Z, then Nissan would be stupid not to consider building one.
 

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Where's the style ?!

> I need for everyone to write to Nissan and
> tell them that the Z-Concept car engine
> should be a six cyl. and not the four that
> is out of the 240SX. The Z needs an engine
> that will be able to keep up with the
> American and Euro performance cars out
> there. If the Z takes the path of a small
> engine then it will have a hard time being
> taken seriously and end up being grouped
> with cars that are just for transportation
> and not for what the Z has stood for in the
> past: the ultimate, the final word. The
> Z-CAR should have a larger engine on the
> order of 4+ liters. Please write Nissan and
> let them know what you think bad or good.
> before it goes into production and we have
> no more say! The address for Nissan in the
> U.S. is Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A.

> Attn:Customer Affairs

> P.O. Box 47060

> Gardena, CA 90248

> OR for all of North America

> Nissan North America,Inc.

> Attn:Corporate Communications

> P.O. Box 191

> Gardena CA 90248-0191

> To find out more about the Z-Concept car go
> to www.nissan-na.com the go to nissan news.

From the pictures I have seen it appears that.... well.... there is no style to it. It almost looks like a long CRX. When the 280's were being produced emission standards were tough and yet Nissan still produced a very impressive car for the time, but it was that beautiful style that made the Z's a good seller. Today there are a billion cars that look just like each other and it would be a shame to see the Z's look just like everything else on the road. You can spot another Z on the road a mile away from any angle, most cars nowadays you can't tell if its a Camry, Tempo, Maxima, Regal, Lumina, Cavalier, Altima, Taurus, Escort, or Contour - and after it goes by, sometimes you still can't tell !!!! Although I would love to see Nissan build a Z that would blow the doors off a F-50, they are going through a tough time right now and the new Z may make or break them - so performance is out the window because they have to stay affordable - but for god's sake make the **** thing look good !!!!!!!!!
Dave
 

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I hate to say this, but I don't think writing letters is going to do much good. Frankly, it's the Ford Mustang syndrome all over again: Build a car that becomes a classic, then stop building it, then reintroduce it by building a horrendous, underpowered, ugly sacrilige to the name. Hello? They finally got it somewhat right with the new model, but it took them 30 years and what, THREE ugly body styles later.

Frankly, as long as Nissan keeps making parts for my '82 ZX, I don't care whether they come out with a new Z powered by a 4 cylinder engine or a V-16. The car is ugly. It's not as bad as a new Taurus, which I still think is the ugliest car on the road. But it's pretty bad. Besides, am I missing something, or did Nissan have their shot already with the 300ZX and they couldn't sell more than a few thousand a year at the end? I say you can't go home again, and I've never seen a sequel yet, automotive or otherwise, that came close to the appeal of the original. (Okay, except Godfather II.) So let it go and give the masses a decent electric car. They could call it the ZZZT.
 

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Haha, where can I get a ZZZT?

You might have a good idea there. Maybe you should write Nissan and they can market the ZZZT, make a bunch of money, and save their butts. Then maybe they'd have the money to take a chance and make a real performer out of the new Z. Reguardless, it was good for a chuckle, thanks!
 

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Actually, what the question that we must ask as consumers is if we are willing to change. I personally say no, but Nissan says yes. Nissan and the rest of the automakers out there do not make the rules for emissions. That would be are exceptional state and federal governments ( HA-HA .) I believe that Nissan is trying to save their own Ass-ets along with providing a car for people to drive. Yes, I would like to see a 6 cylinder under that hood pumping the HP that we have all fallen in love with over the years. The new Z should be competive with the cream of the crop, not the econo-busters. The new econo-cars today have motors the size of a go-kart, and I am sad to say that even my motorcycle's engine is larger than most. If they must put a four banger under that hood they should at least aim for 300HP and the largest Turbo know to man. Nissan should either produce this new Z with exceptional power or Change its Name and look. I would not want any weakling every to carry the torch of the greatest and best selling sports car of all time. Please Nissan do not tarnish our sacred Z's !!!!!
 

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I kinda like its looks

To me, it looks more like a '84 porsche 928 . I know the back is exactly the same because I put it right next to my uncle's . The front looks like when you take the bumpers off of a 240Z. I don't like the 4Cyl idea though.
 

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Then why they dont do this. Ok the saturn you can get it with the bear bones. But add on.

4 banger can be upgraded to a v6 or inline six. and or turbo with just removing one motor and adding another motor. And if they where thinking they will have the motors where they can just be bolted in.

Now for fog light and etras can be added on. when the buyer wants.

I dont think this is to crazey but it a idea.

but it will sute are dreams of a z but help us upgrade.

Realy that would be a cool car. And it might help them out where some one need a cheap car they got it where some one need a fast car they got it when they want a 300zx became they can have it.

who ever heard a new Mudstang hehe. Do this or other car makers. other then trucks
 

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Options....

I was recently talking to the sales manager of one of our local Nissan dealerships and he was telling me that oversease Nissan usually offers three to four choices of engines in their cars. That may be the greatest boon to the new Z. Start off with a car that MOST of us can afford and not something that is out of reach for the average guy. That is why the original 240Z took off. An affordable car that handled well and went fast. BY NO MEANS could it blow away the muscle cars of the time. I dont know where you guys get that idea. Pull a Corvette with a 454 next to a stock 71' and it will make you cringe when they are done. Nissan is doing the right thing by sticking with a lower priced engine to begin with. I think Lestat hit it right on the nail head when he said they should just offer bigger engines as an option. Hope this opinion doesnt piss anyone off..... if so well TOUGH... Hahahahhhaah Zya guys...

Jeff
77' 280Z

> Then why they dont do this. Ok the saturn
> you can get it with the bear bones. But add
> on.

> 4 banger can be upgraded to a v6 or inline
> six. and or turbo with just removing one
> motor and adding another motor. And if they
> where thinking they will have the motors
> where they can just be bolted in.

> Now for fog light and etras can be added on.
> when the buyer wants.

> I dont think this is to crazey but it a
> idea.

> but it will sute are dreams of a z but help
> us upgrade.

> Realy that would be a cool car. And it might
> help them out where some one need a cheap
> car they got it where some one need a fast
> car they got it when they want a 300zx
> became they can have it.

> who ever heard a new Mudstang hehe. Do this
> or other car makers. other then trucks
 

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Look, we know what they're going to do. Just as with the first BMW Z3, they'll introduce the cheap underpowered version first to test the waters. If it sells big and customers demand more power, they'll come out with the correct engine later. They just can't seem to commit to a first rate car until they get the financial reassurance that it's going to sell big - then they'll correct the problem and jack the price out of sight. - John G.

> I need for everyone to write to Nissan and
> tell them that the Z-Concept car engine
> should be a six cyl. and not the four that
> is out of the 240SX. The Z needs an engine
> that will be able to keep up with the
> American and Euro performance cars out
> there. If the Z takes the path of a small
> engine then it will have a hard time being
> taken seriously and end up being grouped
> with cars that are just for transportation
> and not for what the Z has stood for in the
> past: the ultimate, the final word. The
> Z-CAR should have a larger engine on the
> order of 4+ liters. Please write Nissan and
> let them know what you think bad or good.
> before it goes into production and we have
> no more say! The address for Nissan in the
> U.S. is Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A.

> Attn:Customer Affairs

> P.O. Box 47060

> Gardena, CA 90248

> OR for all of North America

> Nissan North America,Inc.

> Attn:Corporate Communications

> P.O. Box 191

> Gardena CA 90248-0191

> To find out more about the Z-Concept car go
> to www.nissan-na.com the go to nissan news.
 

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Re: I kinda like its looks

> To me, it looks more like a '84 porsche 928
> . I know the back is exactly the same
> because I put it right next to my uncle's .
> The front looks like when you take the
> bumpers off of a 240Z. I don't like the 4Cyl
> idea though.

I think the front is too tall, makes it look less like a sports car. Other than that I like the way it looks. Should go with the straight six, or v-6.
 

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Well... we could always do a V-8 conversion on it

And I know a lot of Z purists hate that. but really Nissan has always been guilty about thinking that their cars are on a different level than it is. Look at the Maxima, they claim that it is better than the 4cyl Accords and Camry. But yet you could buy the base GXE Automatic for around $18K thats only 500 more than a 99 Accord LX, because they know that the average consumer looks at the Maxima as the same level as the Accord and Camry. The new Z should just be SIMPLE 6cyl no frills no thrills just performance and no power windows, locks, talking cars. Stop comparing it to the class of Corvette, it is up to the consumer to upgrade the performance to supercede the Corvette. Then the company should just make a perfomance option like turbo, all wheel steering, power package, tire package and so on. Just remember to keep it simple like the original thinking when the first Z came out.
Just my .02 cents
 

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It's all marketing...I HOPE!

> Look, we know what they're going to do. Just
> as with the first BMW Z3, they'll introduce
> the cheap underpowered version first to test
> the waters. If it sells big and customers
> demand more power, they'll come out with the
> correct engine later. They just can't seem
> to commit to a first rate car until they get
> the financial reassurance that it's going to
> sell big - then they'll correct the problem
> and jack the price out of sight. - John G.

I totally agree. All car manufacturers offer a cheaper/underpowered version to get people excited about their cars. Take a look at almost any company, and you will see this strategy.

Volkwagen: First they come out with 4cyl GTI, then VR6.
Toyota: Most 1st gen MR2 is n/a. 2nd gen has turbo
Acura: Has GS 1.8L, and also offers GS-R, R-type

Hopefully, Nissan will follow suit. Personally, I don't care if it is a 4cyl or not, but if it is a 4cyl, it should have a turbo as an option. Ever hear of a SRD20T?? Pushing 200+hp in STOCK trim.
What I am really concerned about is power, not the number of cylinders. One GOOD thing, is that it is a rear-wheel drive. At least that's what I've heard. If that's so, then it would have potential to live up to it's name.
 

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>DO U PEOPLE KNOW that nissan is having a hard
time just surviving since they have made so many
tin cans that did not quite survive the market
NISSAN may go bankrupt if mercedese BENZ DOES NOT
BUY IT BECAUSE I heard in busniss news that this what is going on
DONT feel bad z people i am a z fan my self
and i still own about 3 nissan cars today
i think the new Z car is going to also fail
the test i dont like it my self
what the **** is NISSAN doing i think the are
becoming GERMMAN AFTER ALL
IMAGINE a Z with a BENZ engine
gives me a feeling of a tin can with HITTLER in it its over zzzzzzzz folks. I need for everyone to write to Nissan and
> tell them that the Z-Concept car engine
> should be a six cyl. and not the four that
> is out of the 240SX. The Z needs an engine
> that will be able to keep up with the
> American and Euro performance cars out
> there. If the Z takes the path of a small
> engine then it will have a hard time being
> taken seriously and end up being grouped
> with cars that are just for transportation
> and not for what the Z has stood for in the
> past: the ultimate, the final word. The
> Z-CAR should have a larger engine on the
> order of 4+ liters. Please write Nissan and
> let them know what you think bad or good.
> before it goes into production and we have
> no more say! The address for Nissan in the
> U.S. is Nissan Motor Corporation U.S.A.

> Attn:Customer Affairs

> P.O. Box 47060

> Gardena, CA 90248

> OR for all of North America

> Nissan North America,Inc.

> Attn:Corporate Communications

> P.O. Box 191

> Gardena CA 90248-0191

> To find out more about the Z-Concept car go
> to www.nissan-na.com the go to nissan news.
 

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Well, I'm up to my 4 cents worth (see previous post in this stack) here, but I still fail to see the point. Could somebody please clarify for me how Nissan introducing a new Z car -- no matter what engine it has -- is going to impact me and my '82ZX, or any of you out there with any of the great, legendary ORIGINAL cars? The only correlation I can come up with is the new Z looks as though it will be so underpowered and ugly that it could increase the value of all of our cars.

Other than that, what am I missing? Should I get equally as worked up when Levi comes out with their latest baggy-jean style? Personally, I'll continue to walk right by those and keep buying those cool old 501s. There's nothing like a classic.
 

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New Z

Gee....... The lower front looks a lot like a Mitsu Eclipse... As others have said, we won't get what we had. Just like the Celica fwd and all the other lost souls.. Sorry, I will restore my 78Z back to new condition myself..
 

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Why a V-8, Swap for the L28 of course

It may be a pain in the butt, but you could always do a l28 conversion to the new Z also:)
Joshua L.
 

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preach on brother John

> Well, I'm up to my 4 cents worth (see
> previous post in this stack) here, but I
> still fail to see the point. Could somebody
> please clarify for me how Nissan introducing
> a new Z car -- no matter what engine it has
> -- is going to impact me and my '82ZX, or
> any of you out there with any of the great,
> legendary ORIGINAL cars? The only
> correlation I can come up with is the
> new Z looks as though it will be
> so underpowered and ugly that it could
> increase the value of all of our cars.

> Other than that, what am I missing? Should I
> get equally as worked up when Levi comes out
> with their latest baggy-jean style?
> Personally, I'll continue to walk right by
> those and keep buying those cool old 501s.
> There's nothing like a classic.

I couldn't agree with this guy more. I may not have two zcars in the yard for parts, or owned one since 1970, but I do love my '78. Let Nissan do what it wants(it is going to w/ or w/o your letters). If the car has made it to the concept level than it is probably going to be produced in the same form. It is not that big of a deal.

Personally, I would rather spend my time getting more power out of my own z, than trying to tell Nissan's overskilled and highly paid engineers how to do it to a car that isn't in production yet......
 

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> I need for everyone to write to Nissan and
> tell them that the Z-Concept car engine
> should be a six cyl. and not the four that
> is out of the 240SX. The Z needs an engine
> that will be able to keep up with the
> American and Euro performance cars out
> there. If the Z takes the path of a small
> engine then it will have a hard time being
> taken seriously and end up being grouped
> with cars that are just for transportation
> and not for what the Z has stood for in the
> past: the ultimate, the final word. The
> Z-CAR should have a larger engine on the
> order of 4+ liters. Please write Nissan and
> let them know what you think bad or good.
> before it goes into production and we have
> no more say!

It seems to me that some are confused about just what the spirit of the Z car is. The original Z had 150 measley HP, not exactly a muscle car. At a price of around $3000, it sold like hotcakes because it was a fun to drive, no frills sports car the average guy [or gal] could afford. That's the direction of the Concept Z. How many here are going to shell out $35K for a Japanese sports car? Haven't we already seen the demise of the Z, the RX7, and the Supra in that price range? Nissan would be ill-advised to take a trip back into that neighborhood. Honda is about to pull 240 horses from 2 liters and 4 pistons. If Nissan can put anywhere close to that in a package as compact as the Concept Z it should have plenty pep. I'm not the least bit interested in another sports car that everyone admires and nobody buys.
 

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The L-28 would not meet present emmission standard

> It may be a pain in the butt, but you could
> always do a l28 conversion to the new Z
> also:)
> Joshua L.
the present LS-1 350 V-8 can
 
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