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HELP! 600 miles from home... is it the transmission?

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I'm in Newport News visiting my mother who had a knee replacement. I've been coming here every weekend... get here Saturday, go back Sunday.
The car: 1982 280ZX turbo. 60,000 original miles. Pristine condition.
Background problem: When I would drive thru a 30 MPH zone (or some other slow-paced area in what is generally a 65MPH trip) it seemed that the transmission would want to "buck" a bit. The needle on the tach would drop for just a second and then recover. OK, that WAS the problem.
Current problem: Driving at 60MPH the tach needle suddenly dropped to zero! The engine was running but the accelerator gave no response. I began looking for a spot to coast into off of the highway and wishing that I had taken the time to find where the emergency flashers are. Although it seems as though this condition lasted about 3 minutes, it was probably an actual 50 to 60 second occurence. As suddenly as it had dropped, the tach came back up to 3500 RPMs and I prayed my final quarter mile to the place that I am staying. All of my manuals are at home.
Now: It's dark out (8:15PM) and I haven't a suitable light.

The fix:??? Could it be extremely low on tranny fluid? Aside from what caused the condition, I have to get it back to Northern Delaware tomorrow. At first light what should I do? Warm the engine to operating temp, go thru the gears a couple of times, and then check the fluid level? The trans has to be hot, correct? And, if needed, is it standard ATF?

I can tell that this is going to be a sleepless night. I'm in an unfamiliar area with what could be a very serious problem. Please save the admonishments for not being up on the state of my transmission until after I get the car home. Those who know me know that I know pretty much squat other than changing the spark plugs (again, please wait until I get the car home to give me $4!t.

Are the basics what I think? If it's not shot, warm up the car, run it thru the gears (it's AUTOMATIC) and THEN check the fluid? All of my manuals are at home. Where on the stick SHOULD the level be?

Thanx so much for anyone who can give me quick advice... early Sunday morning in southern Virginia the only thing open's gonna be the 7-11. Will 7-11's off-the-shelf tranny fluid be ok?

Thanx!!! And while my stupidity is out for full display, where are the emergency flashers???
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OMFG dude, this is an ignition module, not a transmission issue. How the F would the transmission cause your tachometer to completely drop to zero?

Rudy would chuch a lugnut or sparkplug at you for this question and admonish you 'Vas ist you thinkink?'

The igintion module / coil drives the tach. You are experiencing ignition module or some other interruption in power to the coil/ignition module. Short of a loose wire, I think the module is crapping out---typical symptoms. GEt a can of freeze-it and look up Skittles conversion to GM HEI Module put all the parts and freeze it in the car and start driving home. First time I quits, hit it with freeze-it and if it recovers run along till you get sick of doing it or the freeze it runs out. Then you're doing a roadside GM HEI conversion.

Now that suggestion to carry a spare ignitor/ignition module in the glovebox seems eerily precient, huh?
The tach dropped to zero because the coil stopped firing. That's where the tach signal comes from. It's odd that the engine restarted through drag from an automatic but I've heard that some automatics will do that (I know that it will not work with a 1963 Pontiac Bonneville). Your symptoms don't fit a transmission problem.

So you might have an ignition or ignition circuit electrical problem. The tach going straight to zero suggests that. If you don't know much more than spark plugs, you are in a tough spot.

You could get a spare ignition module for insurance but if you don't know how to replace it, it won't really help. Someone with a 1982 turbo model might know more.

Edit - I was editing while Tony D was posting. I'll just leave it though...

Edit #2 - Seriously though,if you barely know spark plugs, you probably don't even know where the ignition module is, right? Difficult situation.
Tony said:
OMFG dude, this is an ignition module, not a transmission issue. How the F would the transmission cause your tachometer to completely drop to zero?

Rudy would chuch a lugnut or sparkplug at you for this question and admonish you 'Vas ist you thinkink?'

The igintion module / coil drives the tach. You are experiencing ignition module or some other interruption in power to the coil/ignition module. Short of a loose wire, I think the module is crapping out---typical symptoms. GEt a can of freeze-it and look up Skittles conversion to GM HEI Module put all the parts and freeze it in the car and start driving home. First time I quits, hit it with freeze-it and if it recovers run along till you get sick of doing it or the freeze it runs out. Then you're doing a roadside GM HEI conversion.

Now that suggestion to carry a spare ignitor/ignition module in the glovebox seems eerily precient, huh?
Do you think "Freeze It" might be known by another name "round these parts"? If not, that'll certainly be on my early morning shopping list!

I have a spare coil 365 miles away. If you were a betting man, do you think I could make it with the Freeze???
The coil is not the ignition module.

According to the FSM the turbo models had their own ignition module. I know where they are on the NA cars, but not the turbo models. Maybe someone here will point it out.

Any auto parts store will probably know what "Freeze-it" is or have something similar.
Please don't lambast me....
I've replaced a coil... is this the same thing? If not, I'll have a week to learn. I think that I can borrow a car to get home, and at home I have ANOTHER 1982 280ZXT Auto from which I could borrow anything I need. I also have my manuals which will tell me what an ignition modulator is. I once had a modulator replaced on the transmission... is this a totally different thing?

Thanx for helping out a stupie. One way or another I'll finally "get it".
Last post for me - you're changing the word "module" which was used by two separate people, to "modulator." You're going to have to expand your mind.

You're on the computer now (or you're putting some effort in to your cell phone testing, which is good), Google "ignition module" or download the FSM from http://www.xenonz31.com/s130/reference.html or search the terms on this site. The ignition module is not hard to change, but it is expensive.
Unplug the ECU and then plug the harness back in a few times.
Its worth a try. Its by your left leg behind kick panel.
My experience with the ignition module is it would crap out on you once it heated up and the turns dropped below a certain point...like coming to a stop sign. It'd take about 30 min to cool down to where it would start. Spraying it with freeze it would cool it down quickly.

Sounds more like what would happen if you turned the key off and then back on. Which points to a loose connection at the coil, ignition switch, or ignition relay.

Feel free to call me if you need to. 423-544-9811. I'm in bed about 1230EST.
http://www.blackdragonauto.com/icatalog/zr/full.aspx?Page=59

Right side, part #9 control module.
I'd be looking for used parts or a junkyard for one right about now.

Or buy new if you have the cash...
The module is at the bottom of the above picture. Here is one with it away from he dist.
Those 2 dizzy's are from N/A engines.
Jlensbo has a turbo.
Are they located at the same place? Seems to me I remember them being different.
You're right, he has a turbo and those are not. I think you're right also in that it is not on the distributor. It may be IN the dist.
The 82 and 83 turbo engines have a CAS Crank Angle Sensor mounted on the side of the distributor, which sends a signal to the CECU computer. The CECU then sends firing signals to what many people call the "igniter", which is part of the coil mounting bracket. It has a large power transistor, which acts as an electronic switch, to switch +12vdc to the coil primary to create the field, then cuts off the +12vdc, which allows the field to collapse and fire the secondary high voltage spark to the distributor, and thence to the spark plugs.

The CAS connector plug could be loose on the dizzy, the CECU plugs could be loose on the computer, one of several wires could be loose on the igniter coil bracket. One of those is a ground to the engine block. One gets the computer's firing signal, one goes to the coil primary. There is also a RFI noise filtering capacitor. Once in a while, they internally short circuit themselves, which will ground the +12 volts going to the coil. You can safely disconnect it to eliminate it as a possibility.

Make sure your fusible links are in good condition and are working, and tightly and cleanly connected.

Make sure your ignition switch connector is not falling off the switch contacts, under the dash on the side of the steering column.

Check the AFM Airflow Meter connector for tightness and cleanliness of the contacts.

Ensure that the distributor cap and rotor are in good condition and secure atop the dizzy. Check the spark wire from the coil to the dizzy cap.

All that should keep you busy, and you might get lucky with one of them.

Can you hear your fuel pump when this is happening? The FPM Fuel Pump Modulator (right above the CECU computer) can slow or kill the pump if it is failing, or the connector is coming loose. And the pump's electrical connections also, can be a factor if they are loose or corroded.

Good luck. I recently had this happen with my 97 Thunderbird. Turned out to be a combo of a cracked coil pack misfiring to the mounting bracket through cracks in the potting, and a fuel filter that I had neglected for much too long. Caused the engine to intermittently stall at different speeds, and tach went to zero each time, which gave me needed clues to the problems. When you get home, check the draw tube inside the tank, to be sure that the fuel strainer is not coated with varnish and gunk, check inside the fuel pump intake port for a small filtering sock which often accumulates more crud. Change your main fuel filter near the engine. Probably, this is overkill for your problem, but it won't hurt to check them anyway, just because of the age of our cars.
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Thanx for the boatload of advice!

I just found out that I do NOT have a loaner car, so I am leaving with the Z to try and make it 265 miles... I hate the feeling of impending doom when I go on a long car ride. There goes the enjoyment of driving a super-cool sports car!

Three times now I've put the wrong key in the ignition and seized it up, having to remove the ignition, put another in, have the original fixed at a locksmith, then take the temp one out and put the original back in. Do you think that maybe I left something loose around there (in the steering column) causing this problem?

Anyway, I have a few basic tools, no manual with me, and a cool sunny day. Wish me luck!
Well good luck....

Have you started reseating connectors?
And you could get that air duster in a can flip it upside down, that can work as a chiller in a can...

Mike
Yesssss ....I would say that is a good start. When diagnosing a problem always ask yourself, "What happened here before?" It was working...I messed with it...ooooh, now it doesn't. It's nothing but a puzzle, just be aware of the invisible jinxes that hand around the car to screw with you. LOL
Re: Lens-bro! Although these cars are good quality...

THE ignition module is like a "pre-amp" to the coil. On these cars it IS the flakiest part I know of. Break down and get one from Summit or MSD. OR just put your key in the slot and get that Magic Module from around the world. Just understand that in the automotive world some compact transistor circuits were sort of experimental as compared to the LATER versions. ALSO some have experienced overvoltaging on the fine rides they are attached to. Norm K. (ALTHOUGH there are only two wires on the module, you must be CAREFUL not to mess it up....make it right the first time!)
Well, I made it 25 miles before the car quit. I waited a minute, restarted, and turned around. In the 25 miles back to my origin it died about 12 times, most notably on the Coleman Drawbridge (no pullover). I finally made it back to my loaner car, transferred luggage, the set out for Tidewater Z Car ( a 9 mile trip). It stalled no less than 10 TIMES on a road with NO SHOULDER. I haven't had so much fun since High School!
Thankfully, I made it to the garage (where I've never had service done before). I dropped a note and the key in the night slot, called a cab, and got back to my loaner car (a brand new Lincoln... big difference between a Z car!). I made it back to Delaware in 6 hours and now I await the shop opening tomorrow morning. I sure hope he's honest because he's really got me by the short hairs here!
For those interested I'll keep an update going. It seems that the majority rule that it's the ignition module. Thankfully this guy (Tidewater Z Car) specializes in only Z-cars. For my domestic cars it took over 30 years to find a guy who I would call "honest"... can't wait to see how this all plays out.
BTW: Stopped at Autozone... they had no "Freeze-It" and thought I was lloking for refrigerant.
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