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Hello I just wanted to talk about the eagle talon for a second . My brother recently purchased a 91 eagle talon, used to be a big chevy nova man 375 hp . I recently converted him to the foreign car scene, it was my 78z n/a and sideways action for about half a block fantastically controlled that won him over . Then I got showing him sentra's that would walk on his nova . I personally do not like the looks of the mitsu's, the Z beats them hands down in this category .

Now for the drivetrain the four wheel drive system is beautiful, I have never been in a vehicle that has driven that fast in the snow with so much controll . On a dry pavement autocross I would whip his ass though !!!

The motor is a sweet little 2 litre that puts out 190 hp at 10 psi boost . This is roughly the same as a stock zxt . Modification wise the talon has the edge it can run 300 hp in relatively stock trim (fuel pump i/c piping exhaust boost controller and 20 psi boost) all for $1000. Now it runs low 13 and high twelves . If you want 11's the mitsu is 10 times cheaper to do than the Z.

Nissan bitches and moans about putting out an affordable sports car . Hello look at mitsu it four wheel drive all the goodies visous slip diff . Nissan should price it identical to a talon, do a retro z look put the good old z suspension in it and an RB25T 230 hp in a 2600 lb car. By retro I mean same thing Porshe boxter vs old tub .

Wrapping it up the talons deserve a lot of respect, I personally would still not trade my Z for one ever . I would trade it for a Subara Impreza WRX though, Nissan Skyline should have a go at World Rally Championship . By the way I am a tad brainwashed by nissan, I own 78z, 88 pathfinder, dad owns 96 altima .
 

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This was my point several posts below

> Hello I just wanted to talk about the eagle
> talon for a second . My brother recently
> purchased a 91 eagle talon, used to be a big
> chevy nova man 375 hp . I recently converted
> him to the foreign car scene, it was my 78z
> n/a and sideways action for about half a
> block fantastically controlled that won him
> over . Then I got showing him sentra's that
> would walk on his nova . I personally do not
> like the looks of the mitsu's, the Z beats
> them hands down in this category .

> Now for the drivetrain the four wheel drive
> system is beautiful, I have never been in a
> vehicle that has driven that fast in the
> snow with so much controll . On a dry
> pavement autocross I would whip his ass
> though !!!

These GS-X cars can really hook up the tires. Excellent all-wheel drive system. Can become a weak point in extreme hp though. These all-wheel drive cars are definetely impressive, especially for the price they ask.

> The motor is a sweet little 2 litre that
> puts out 190 hp at 10 psi boost . This is
> roughly the same as a stock zxt .
> Modification wise the talon has the edge it
> can run 300 hp in relatively stock trim
> (fuel pump i/c piping exhaust boost
> controller and 20 psi boost) all for $1000.
> Now it runs low 13 and high twelves . If you
> want 11's the mitsu is 10 times cheaper to
> do than the Z.

That was my point. These cars are easy to tune in excess of 300hp, and usually can be done for $1000-$1500. Try and spend $1000 on a Z and get 300hp, and it would be quite a job. Most of our cars are old and require reworking and replacing many stock parts prior to installing performance parts. But, the Z has a much better suspension, and will beat almost any car on the track. There is something to be said about the Z dominating SCCA racing since the 1970's.

> Nissan bitches and moans about putting out
> an affordable sports car . Hello look at
> mitsu it four wheel drive all the goodies
> visous slip diff . Nissan should price it
> identical to a talon, do a retro z look put
> the good old z suspension in it and an RB25T
> 230 hp in a 2600 lb car. By retro I mean
> same thing Porshe boxter vs old tub .

If they do that, they will kill the competition. The new Xterra is an example of what they may do. It's a sport utility vehicle that is basic and purposeful. Priced around $16,000 or so. It has a V6 engine, and glass roof. Sounds cool to me, and best of all, NO LEATHER INTERIOR!! I can actually take it four wheeling or up to the mountains. Wow, imagine a sport utility actually used and designed for utility purposes, who would have thought!!! If the above example is indicative of a trend in the Nissan marketing dept., I think we may have a good chance of getting a great new Z car. Sounds like they are trying to get back to basics, like the original 240Z. Simple, affordable and powerful, doesn't get any better than that. Hopefully they found that simplicity in design is a good thing, and talking car warning systems and electric heated seats are not really necessary. Take out all the complicated gadgets, and just give people what they want. A good price for a good car.

> Wrapping it up the talons deserve a lot of
> respect, I personally would still not trade
> my Z for one ever . I would trade it for a
> Subara Impreza WRX though, Nissan Skyline
> should have a go at World Rally Championship
> . By the way I am a tad brainwashed by
> nissan, I own 78z, 88 pathfinder, dad owns
> 96 altima .
 

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Sounds familiar.

> Hello I just wanted to talk about the eagle
> talon for a second . My brother recently
> purchased a 91 eagle talon, used to be a big
> chevy nova man 375 hp . I recently converted
> him to the foreign car scene, it was my 78z
> n/a and sideways action for about half a
> block fantastically controlled that won him
> over . Then I got showing him sentra's that
> would walk on his nova . I personally do not
> like the looks of the mitsu's, the Z beats
> them hands down in this category .

> Now for the drivetrain the four wheel drive
> system is beautiful, I have never been in a
> vehicle that has driven that fast in the
> snow with so much controll . On a dry
> pavement autocross I would whip his ass
> though !!!

> The motor is a sweet little 2 litre that
> puts out 190 hp at 10 psi boost . This is
> roughly the same as a stock zxt .
> Modification wise the talon has the edge it
> can run 300 hp in relatively stock trim
> (fuel pump i/c piping exhaust boost
> controller and 20 psi boost) all for $1000.
> Now it runs low 13 and high twelves . If you
> want 11's the mitsu is 10 times cheaper to
> do than the Z.

> Nissan bitches and moans about putting out
> an affordable sports car . Hello look at
> mitsu it four wheel drive all the goodies
> visous slip diff . Nissan should price it
> identical to a talon, do a retro z look put
> the good old z suspension in it and an RB25T
> 230 hp in a 2600 lb car. By retro I mean
> same thing Porshe boxter vs old tub .

> Wrapping it up the talons deserve a lot of
> respect, I personally would still not trade
> my Z for one ever . I would trade it for a
> Subara Impreza WRX though, Nissan Skyline
> should have a go at World Rally Championship
> . By the way I am a tad brainwashed by
> nissan, I own 78z, 88 pathfinder, dad owns
> 96 altima .

Yeah, the Talon deserves a littlerespect in a couple of aspects.

The Z can be made faster than the Talon, it just takes MORE money. If you have the money, I guess anything is possible.

If you read what 240Dave, and Antonio and I have been rapping about for a couple of days now, you'll see what I mean. I had to do all sorts of crazy engine work, to get my car to where it is now, and the Talons don't have to go to the measures that I did.

Chris Behney
Redline Autosports
 

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Re: Sounds familiar.

Just my 2 cents worth:
I own an 82 280zx N/A coupe. I wouldnt trade her in for ANYTHING! I looked at alot of cars before i bought me z. One was a Plymouth Lazer RS TURBO.
After owning one Mitsu already, I can safely say that i will never own one again. I have seen (and experienced) too many problems with their disposable engines. Sure they are fast...but lets see what is running 16 years down the line. My Z? or that P.O.S. Lazer?

just my opinon
JoeZ
 

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Re: Sounds familiar.

I agree the Z engine is ten times more reliable my 78 has only given me 2 problems, the fuel pressure regulator hose cracked silly little vacuum hose and Air regulator died . Its kind of sad alot of datsun/nissan fans still hold onto there older excellent running cars, probably why nissan now is doing poorly financially . Chevy seems to sell alot of cavilers coencidence I think not !!

> Just my 2 cents worth:
> I own an 82 280zx N/A coupe. I wouldnt trade
> her in for ANYTHING! I looked at alot of
> cars before i bought me z. One was a
> Plymouth Lazer RS TURBO.
> After owning one Mitsu already, I can safely
> say that i will never own one again. I have
> seen (and experienced) too many problems
> with their disposable engines. Sure they are
> fast...but lets see what is running 16 years
> down the line. My Z? or that P.O.S. Lazer?

> just my opinon
> JoeZ
 
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