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1983 280ZX: Shuts off while driving. Any help?

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I'm new, yes. But I joined to not only contribute but to seek help. My 1983 Datsun 280zx likes to die when its going down the road or at a stop light. No matter what RPM. It will just shut off but all the lights will stay on. The car only does this when it's warmed up and struggles to stay running when not givin enough time to cool off. In order for the car to be restarted the key must be turned all the way off then it will, after a try or two, restart and be totally fine. I dont know if this contributess but the car is an automatic. If I could get some help I'd be greatful. Thanks!!
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That sounds a lot like an ignition module problem. They get warm when used as current passes through to charge the coil. Unfortunately the problem is hard to confirm since they fix themselves as they cool down. They are also expensive so it's not a simple decision to just replace it.

If you can find a cheap junk yard replacement, it might be worth doing. Or you might try cooling the module itself off with ice in a bag (to keep things dry) to see if you can affect the problem. If cooling it down lets the car start sooner, the odds are good that that's the problem. It's the black plastic box mounted on the side of your distributor.

I'm assuming that you have an NA, non-turbo, model.
98% of the time the car will start right back up and take off like nothing happened. And yes its a non-turbo.
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get some freeze spray from Radio shack and shock the ignition module when she dies. Have your battery load tested free most places. check your battery cables for looseness and corrosion. if you have the one size fit all terminals (pic) get a real set of cables those things are a disaster waiting to happen. Use some Deoxit by CAIG to clean the connectors to the ECU, AFM and TPS. Check your fusible links for corrosion. your problem sounds electrical as tho something is losing connection. you might have a bad ignition switch. Download the FSM from xenon (free) and look thru it

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Thanks Roger. I'll do what I can and hopefully it works. Anything else that may be helpful?
Sounds like a bad ground but RogerZ hit it on the spot.
The thing I don't get is why it WILL NOT start unless the key is turned all the way off then back on. And why all the lights stay on when it dies... So confussing.
fuel or spark.

could be lots of things.

ignition module, yes, but typically this would take a cool down period for it to start up again. Just by turning the key off then back on to start it seems like something else, like maybe a bad ignition switch.

maybe fuel pump is turning off or stopping? a fuel pressure gage inline would be helpful.

if the engine runs rough for 30 seconds after a warm restart, then I would say you are getting injector heat soak. the injector cooling fan is most likely not working.
I had my fuel pump die & it was a similar experience.
how is your battery grounded? it should go first to a bolt about a foot below the battery and then to the starter. Lazy people run the cable to the starter and forego the jump to the bolt to the body. grounding thru the starter is not reliable. If the battery and cables look sound then the next best bet is the ignition switch. you can pretty much forget the heat soak thing unless you are in Death Valley. I ran several s130 without the injector cooling fan (which only works after you shut the car off anyway). there are some unsubstantiated rumors of people with an exhaust leak heating the fuel line enough to cut off fuel but a liquid under pressure takes a lot of heat to vaporize sufficiently to create flow loss.
First is there any thing that prompts this? Hitting a bump...or will it do it idling at a red light?

If it were the ignition module, it would probably take 20-30 min to cool down enough to restart. So I would put that on the back burner.

Ignition switch: The fact that you have to turn the ign sw all the way off may mean that something is loose inside. How can we test this? Run 12v to the hot side of the coil. That is the same as tuning the IgSw on. I've made myself many of these "jumpers" with alligator clips.. Now if it drives ok you might want to run it from the 12v source that goes into your ign sw. Everything OK, probably the ign sw. Be advised the Ign Sw is separate fronm the key switch and can be replaced without replacing the key switch/tumbler apparatus that bolts around the steering column.

This will be complicated b/c Datsun used 4 breakaway screws. Sometin\mes thet did not break them off and you can undo them with pliers, I've done it with small phillips and others have taken a dremel tool and cut a notch.

Another possibility is the green and red wire inside the distributor coming from the ignition module may be so close together that they short out. Elec problems are a bitch. Usually if it is corroded terminals it will not carry the load to the starter, but it never hurts to clean them at the battery terminal and the main wire going to the terminal as suggested.

Finally, if you had enough crud in the gas tank, it could get sucked into the outlet line blocking fuel flow. When the car settled, it would float backward into the tank clearing the line. There is a small mesh filter going into the fuel pump at the inlet side.

All this said, and sorry for writing a book, I had a similar thing happen to me, only it would not just start back up. It would turn over and I had fire, so somehow I concluded I was not getting fuel. I finally got it home and put in a Fram G4 filter b/t the tank and fuel pump. Never did see any trash in the transparent filter and never had any more problems, finally removed it after a year. To this day I really don't know what it was. If you get yours fixed, let us know the solution.
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Unfortunately with school and my job I don't have enough time to pull apart my car and do the work myself. I have a local mechanic do the work on it. He has over 30 years in fixing/racing Datsuns and Nissans so I trust him. He's also certified. I just had the cap and rotor replaced on the distributer to fix another problem it was having. Along with that I replaced the spark plugs and fuel filter. Also my injector fan isn't working when like a week ago it was working fine any suggestions? My mechanic is stumped on the dying problem but he has also suggested the ignition switch. Although I have a job, money is still scarce. Any Idea on what an ignition switch would cost? Thank all of you for your suggestions and advice. It will all help.
Ask your Mechanic :)
This is the problem I have with these "local mechanics with 30 yrs certified experience working on Datsuns, Scaredyrabbit. (not you sandbike)

You said, "Also my injector fan isn't working when like a week ago it was working fine any suggestions?"

Yes, as any real Datsun mechanic would know, you will play **** getting the fan to come on in this weather. It is powered by a thermostat in the waterneck. After the car is shut down, if the temp risings above a certain amount it kicks on for 10 min to cool down the injectors. Unless you are driving in Texas in the summer, you will seldom hear this fan.

I got trashed the other day by some nitwit b/c I made reference to his glorified mechanic. I have said it before. Most of them are parts changers and unless they are over 50 years old, chances are they really do not know the ins and outs of this car. Do they know basic mechanics applicable to all cars? Sure, that's why they are "certified." Kinda like school teachers...they are certified but most of them really do not know squat ablout their subject. In fact the disclaimer on the certification tests says, "This test does not predict if applicant has a mastery of the subject nor would be a good teacher." But the public buys into the charade b/c they are "certified."
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I'm by no means a real car mechanic. Especially on Zs. Thats why I'm here askking for help. (My mechanic is 52 btw. Hes also the owner of the local BMX team I race for. xD) But I'm not going to stand up for my mechanic. His local reputation does it for him. But again I'm asking all these questions to learn because I'd like to do all the work on my car myself.
I was curious if this issue ever got resolved. It sounds almost exactly what my car is doing.

Ok, I am new here, new to Z cars, and just now looking through the manual:

With that said: 1981 280ZX NA, automatic

Car seems to run fine except is will just die as if you turned the key off. No sputtering and the tach will just go to zero. Always starts right up. I've gotten good at shifting it into neutral and restarting. Sometimes, it will recover on its own after a heartbeat or two.

Truly seems to be intermittent as I can't discern a pattern. I commute 60 miles one way to work. A few trips, everything fine. One trip, died three times. One trip, twice at a stop light within 15 seconds of each other.

I've poked around under the hood but nothing jumps our at me.

My wife wanted this car and now doesn't want to drive it until this is resolved. I can't blame her. I find myself traveling in the right lane on heightened alert in case it dies. Not exactly fun.

Please give me some idea and be patient. These Z cars are foreign to me (joke intended) and I'm still figuring out how they work. I absolutely hate intermittent electrical gremlins. . . .
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ZxCar1981 said:
Car seems to run fine except is will just die as if you turned the key off. No sputtering and the tach will just go to zero. Always starts right up. I've gotten good at shifting it into neutral and restarting. Sometimes, it will recover on its own after a heartbeat or two.

Truly seems to be intermittent as I can't discern a pattern. I commute 60 miles one way to work. A few trips, everything fine. One trip, died three times. One trip, twice at a stop light within 15 seconds of each other.
That is a symptom (though not necessarily the specific cause of your problem) of a bad ignition module. Especially if it happens after everything gets hot, and/or after some high RPM running. On your engine, if it's stock, the module is the black plastic covered box on the side of the distributor.

Search "ignition module" and you''l probably find more descriptions and potential solutions. Also, better to start a new thread and link to this one if you want avoid confusion.
Find an ignition module somewhere, if it is not the answer...you will need it sooner or later.
Fwiw, I swapped in a e12-80 ignition module on my '76 280z since I installed triple webers on it and needed more agressive timing. After a couple months I started experiencing the same things you guys are describing - tach going to zero and ignition just dying, sometimes it would surge a couple times before it died. Everytime it started acting up or died on the highway, I would just push the clutch in, cycle the key off then on once, and it would fire up like nothing. It seemed to act worse in COLD weather, and required no cool-down period for it to start working again, just a simple key cycle. Replaced the ign module and never saw those problems again.
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