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Torque
Posted by: dommer331
Date: June 26, 2009 11:32AM

At what rpm is maximum torque achieved?
I thought that I read somewhere that it is at around 4800 rpms.

If so, then is it best to set the rev limiter to that number?


'04.5 350Z Touring, Liquid Aluminum



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Re: Torque
Posted by: MaelstrØm
Date: June 26, 2009 11:41AM

No, because the power curve around the peak is still higher than the re-engagment point in the next gear. Torque peak may also be less useful than HP peak depending on the load on the engine.

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Re: Torque
Posted by: Dan Baldwin
Date: June 26, 2009 12:26PM

For best performance, you not only want to rev it past the peak torque rpm, you want to rev it beyond peak POWER rpm (which is always higher than peak torque rpm).

Performance is maximized when you shift at a high enough rpm that you do not lose power, or at least minimize power loss, by going from the lower gear to then next higher gear.

For most high-performance cars this means shifting right before hitting the rev-limiter is best for maximum acceleration.

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Re: Torque
Posted by: dommer331
Date: June 26, 2009 01:11PM

I had the rev set around 5500 for a while. That seemed to be a good number to bang 1st through 4th gear. The car still continues to lurch forward after shifts are made and the rpms stay up.
Maybe I will just go with the "feel" of the car because that little rev light is distracting. I will say that the car is screaming at 6200....


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Re: Torque
Posted by: MaelstrØm
Date: June 26, 2009 05:05PM

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For most high-performance cars this means shifting right before hitting the rev-limiter is best for maximum acceleration.

It depends on the gear ratio and power curve for each car. Yes, it will be somewhere between the rev limiter and power peak, but not always at the rev limiter. The closer the gears are stacked, the more important the shift point becomes. In a tall gear set, the rev limiter would be right most of the time.

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Re: Torque
Posted by: Dan Baldwin
Date: June 26, 2009 05:47PM

That's why I said "for *MOST* high performance cars..."...

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Re: Torque
Posted by: Dan Baldwin
Date: June 26, 2009 06:58PM

BTW, for the 350Z you DO want to delay shifting until you're about to hit the rev-limiter for maximum performance.

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Re: Torque
Posted by: ZBUZZ
Date: June 27, 2009 05:19AM

Dommer, for what it's worth, I've had mine shift/rev light set around 6,000 rpm for sometime now.


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Re: Torque
Posted by: John Coffey
Date: June 27, 2009 08:22AM

Mine's set to 6,700. RPM is your friend.


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Re: Torque
Posted by: phxZ31
Date: June 28, 2009 01:24PM

Rev's are your friend. Take it as high as you dare.


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Re: Torque
Posted by: dommer331
Date: June 28, 2009 02:27PM

phxZ31 Wrote:
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> Rev's are your friend. Take it as high as you
> dare.


Exactly...why can nobody give me a real number on non modified Z?
RPMs are our friends until you miss the high number then...oh well.

I really loved seeing the 370z taking it to the V8 Stang...Haha.


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Re: Torque
Posted by: phxZ31
Date: June 28, 2009 06:58PM

If the red line is at 7,500, then you can take it up to 7,500 RPMs before you need to be concerned with anything. Obviously you shouldn't drive it like that ALL the time, that's what I tend to do though and its bad for things.

If you're really curious about your car, the best way to find your shift point is to get your Z on a dyno and race it a few times. You may find that you get the best quarter mile time on the dyno when shifting at redline.

But in the end it all depends on the car and whats done to it. When my Z31 was stock, I would shift at 5,500 to get my fastest times even though the redline was at 6,000. Now that I've changed out the cams, valve springs, cam gears, etc etc.. I take it up to 7,200 RPM in first and second (although I really should kill it earlier, it just sounds so cool) and 6,500 RPM in 3rd and 4th. I suspect once I change out the pistons for ones with a 12.5:1 compression ratio and re-port the intake runners again, I should be able to get my rev's up to over 8000RPMs of usable power.


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