Soo with many companies bringing their cars back from the grave yard i wonder if people will think of them as great as their classics were. I personally would choose the old over new any day. Your opinion on these...sorry about the pictures











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Post Edited (Jun 23, 2:23pm)

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'1996 Black NA 2+0

The Mopar cars were not "great". The Ford cars were not "great".
Old cars drive like crap, rust like crazy, suck gas through 1" fuel lines, had the aerodynamics of bricks, terrible seats, bad handling, etc, etc.

The new cars are faster, better handling (though built just as cheesy as old ones).

Nostalgia = Alzheimer’s

S30 and Z31 over the 350z any day or any other car for that matter, the Z32 and 280zx are my second choice over the 350z. The 67 GTO over the new; the GTO is probably on my top 5 list of cars I would like to own someday. For the mustangs it's kind of a tie but I would probably go for the old one for simplicity to work on and reliability is much better than new. The old charger and RX7 over both the new charger and RX8. I would say in most cases I like the old better than the new.

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1977 280z: Intake, exhaust, high flow cat, header, euro damper, cam, MSD, adj. FPR, 3.7 lsd, F+R sway+strut bars, 2580lbs

1984 300zx: intake, exhuast, high flow cat, headers, JWT ECU, F+R sway bars, F strut bar

06 WRX TR

That picture doesent show the old rx7

This is an old rx7

I saw an old RX-7 2 days ago. Looked a bit strange at first, but it started to grow on me. =]

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'76 280Z
'74 260Z

i think those oldd rx-7s look cool. like a slightly more 80s' z car.

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1976 280 Z coupe (California), 4 speed... front sway bar and a ABS steering coupler. tokico illumina shocks and springs. 280zx alternator, some urethane, other odds and ends... --see it

When I was in school back in 84 this rich kid had an RX7 with a IMSA kit on it and it was a damn beautiful car BUT my OLD RX4 had better top end!!
He could leave me at the light but by the 1/2 mile mark I was sailing by him!
I had the 13B motor and he had the 12A motor. I'd top out a little over 120 mph whereas he'd run 115 mph. I would have traded cars with him in a instant though as his car was a chick magnet and my 4 door RX 4 was a chick repulser!! haha

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Drool for the old GTO

I think Ford did the best with the Mustang in keeping the look as retro as they did. I see lots of them on the road now.

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-Pete
1978 Z ATK F54-P79
Drink Sobe No Fear Gold

i thought i'd been paying attention but what is the s30?

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1983 280zx turbo
1976 ford f100
by by 77 and 81 i will miss ya

it's a 240,260,280z the vin#'s were HLS30######for instance my old 70 had a vin# of HLS3002843.hence the s30 hope that helps.

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1973 240Z with 78,600 original miles
2005 Titan 4x4 for haulin the kids and the wife around
"yeah i type in lower case so what"!

nostalgia and the fact that nobody else has what you have--thats why you want the original

my dad wanted me to get a 90's 300zx...too many of them around for my tastes (sorry zx guys)...now I have the 280z and I couldnt be happier

as far as practicality with old american cars....8mpg doesnt cut it these days...

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1978 280z
5 speed
3-2-1 MSA headers
140,000 original miles

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Old is fun but they are toys and old toys break faster - usually than new ones. If you can keep them running they'er wonderful.

Each in it's own way. Each one has a different personality and handling characteristics.

Used usually means paid for, so fuel and repair cost is the only factor.

New means payments and more for insurance + fuel and repair.

If you want an every day driver and depend on it, get as new as you can and economical as you can.

New cars are generally better handling and economical compared to their counter parts in the "old days".

New clothes are nice and stylish, but that wears off after a while.

What do you wear the most? What is most comfortable? What makes you feel good as opposed to "the crowd".

They didn't buy it and they aren't taking care of it - so what does it matter what they think.

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Ed and Jeanne's
ZXelda 1981 280ZXT
ZXorra 1986 300ZX 2+2
ZXita 1987 300ZX 2+2
ZXena 1990 300ZX

1941 Buick Special Sedanette (Betty)
1956 Dodge Royal (Dorothy)
1971 Buick Riviera (Rita)
1975 Ford F-150 Stepside (Fiona)
1992 Firebird (Frieda)

I guess people want the style of the past but without the problems of drum brakes, leaf springs, and bench seats.

That's absolutely true. People love the looks and uniqueness of old cars but don't realize you don't get the ABS, power steering, power windows, remote entry, ice cold air conditioning, hepa air filtration, yada yada yada.



Post Edited (Jun 24, 7:05am)

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'96 4Runner - "Forest" (Keeps on runin')
'72 240 - "Jenny" (You never know what your gonna get)

Quoted by Mr. Hybrid77Z ... "The Mopar cars were not "great". The Ford cars were not "great". Old cars drive like crap, rust like crazy, suck gas through 1" fuel lines, had the aerodynamics of bricks, terrible seats, bad handling, etc, etc."

I disagree, each of these manufactures had great offerings. Ford, Chevy, Chrysler all had classic vehicles that were imitated world wide.
Ford: A/C Cobra was an outstanding street car that handled very well. I drove a 289 version and it was a kick. Very predictable, you could kick the tail out with total confidence when needed. Rust??? nope, aluminum body. GT40...Ford actually offered a "street" version for 2 years through qualifed dealers. I worked at a dealer that was one of the chosen, the owner of the dealership bought the car and drove it. Although I never drove the car he was kind enough to take me for a ride and I will never forget that day. Lets not forget the Pantera...
Chevy... Corvette... although I am not a fan of the Vett but it did set the standard for domestic sport cars at its introduction. The "Stingray" version caused quite a stir and was an huge success in the automotive community. Solid handling and performance ... rust? not an issue.
Chrysler...had a lot of offerings that are noteable....Barracuda (Cuda), Dodge Daytona / Plymouth Superbird (Some of the original cars that experimented with ground effects).
You will find a lot of what we call "inovations" in todays cars actually had been around a while and can be traced back to the classics. In addition there was a distinct styling between manufactures, not the run of the mill "Melted Soap Bar" look of most of todays offerings including the new Z. The Vette, GT40, Pantera, Datona / Superbird are far from your "brick" description.
I may be wrong, and frequently am, but I have a feeling you are not quite old enough to have ever had the pleasure of tossing a classic around during some "spirited" driving, or growing up in an time where these classics inspired much of what you see on the road today.
MaxDoc

Like I said, they did not have REAL production street cars that were great. The GT40, Superbird, etc were not really production cars and the Cobra and Pantera were not "Ford".

The "street" cars that were offered like the Chevell, Baracuda, Mustang, Torino, Camaro, Corvette, 442's, GTO's, etc WERE aerodynamic bricks, crappy handling, poor fit&finish, bad seats, squeeks/rattles, poor braking, and sucked gas at 8mpg.

The cars that 99.5% of what people bought from those companies were not "great" cars. The great ones were the one-offs and limited production cars that few people ever saw and fewer actually owned. IMHO.



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"...Always with the Corvair, rants about volumetric eff, adiabatic this and gearing that,lecture about thermostats, Z cars should be turning 4k rpm at highway cruising, everyone is an idiot and revel in your omnipotence. ..geez, its about having fun with your car not breaking everyones balls."

The A/C Cobra, Pantera, Datona, Superbird, etc were indeed production cars available for a price at your local dealer. As for "Ford" or not, it was Ford that commissioned the car from Mr. Shelby and yes the Brits had a hand in it as well. I suppose you do not consider the Mustang Shelby 350 or 500 production cars either. I think you stated it correctly when you finally included IMHO in your dialoge.
MaxDoc

I drove a restored 67 vette, 327/4spd I think, but that doesn't matter too much, my point is;

1. I could not believe how loose the car handled.
2. I could not believe how loud it was yet it was getting no were quick
3. Seriously my 95 stang would blow it off the road - straight and especially thru curves.
4. Vette had nothing on my Z, except blue book value!

Matt

The A/C Cobra, Pantera, Datona, Superbird are as "available for a price" TODAY as they ever were back then. If you want one, you "can" buy one. They are just not what I would consider "production" because of their limited numbers and rarity and price. Numbers in the hundereds are "technically" a production car.

If you bring up the Mustang Shelby 350 or 500, that's a little more of a production run, but your still talking only a few thousand cars a year. They WERE still aerodynamic bricks, crappy handling(by todays standards), poor fit&finish, bad seats, squeeks/rattles, poor braking(by todays standards), and sucked gas at 8mpg.