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Not Starting!!
Posted by: cabbottz31
Date: August 19, 07:35PM

Ok the car ran until fuel injector 1 started leaking. Since i've replaced it, the car starts sputters for a second and quits.
It has a new:
Battery
Positive Battery Cable
Starter
Plugs and wires
CHTS
Thermostat
Water Pump
Distributor Rotor and Cap
Fuel Pump
Fuel Filter
Oil Filter
And i do have all the fluids filled to the factory recommendations. I don't understand why its not running. Any ideas??

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: phxZ31
Date: August 19, 07:46PM

Check that the plugs are going to the correct cylinders, verify all the wires are properly seated on their plugs.

Verify the position of the timing belt (I'm assuming it was removed or untensioned when you replaced the waterpump and/or CHTS?) If its a tooth off on one side, or installed incorrectly it can cause this.

Verify the ignition timing is somewhere close to the spec for your vehicle, which should be printed on the sticker under the hood above the air filter.


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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: nrkrel
Date: August 19, 11:40PM

Check AND clean the connection to the CTS. Norm K.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: reggiex3
Date: August 20, 05:32AM

I have had 3 CHTS fail at the cold engine resistance bench test, but that has never prevented my Z from starting. It only causes cold engine driveability problems that go away as soon as the engine warms up, so I'm going to say that whatever is causing your car not to start, it is not the CHTS.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 08:18AM

"It only causes cold engine driveability problems that go away as soon as the engine warms up"

you need to re-read in the FSM how the engine uses the CHTS.. It being an "EFI Choke" is only part of its functionality.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: reggiex3
Date: August 20, 08:43AM

I knew my comment was likely to cause controversy, but that is my experience; however, my Z is an 88 with the fail-safe system. All three of my failed CHTS gave infinite resistance on cold-engine resistance tests, yet my car has never failed to start or idle smoothly because of it. The only symptom is cold engine hesitation when driving; resistance is within specs when the engine is warm. It may be different with the earlier models; you probably know red, but I don't. Cabbott, what year is your Z?

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 09:15AM

resistance is in spec because the defect in the wiring or resistor finds continuity again when it warms up. The 88 ECU has no special "fail safe" system compared with any of the other ECUs. If the ECU detects a resistance fault in the CHTS it defaults to the head being 74F at all times. Chances are - the head is around this temperature when you try and start it - therefore you have no starting problems. Put it in 0F temperatures and I guarantee it will not start.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: reggiex3
Date: August 20, 09:47AM

Red, I live in Virginia. The temperature here rarely reaches 0F, but it often gets below freezing. I have driven this car through four winters, and it only had a properly functioning CHTS for one of those winters, yet it has never failed to start because of the temperature. The 1988 FSM describes the fail-safe system and calls it by that name on EFEC page 30.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 10:02AM

yes, I realize what the fail safe system is, but it is no different than the other fail safe systems in any of the other ECUs. Nevertheless - the CHTS functions as described in the FSM with regard to defaulting to 74F upon failure.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: reggiex3
Date: August 20, 10:42AM

In an earlier post Mister T said "Going by the available PDF FSMs, the "fail safe" systems were built into 85+ ECUs and covered both CHTS and MAF system failures...The 84 PDF FSM does not describe a fail-safe facility," so if you believe Mister T, and Cabbott's Z is an 84, it may not have a fail-safe system. All I'm saying is that Cabbott shouldn't waste his time or money on the CHTS because I know mine is bad, and my car always starts. The problem is elsewhere.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 10:46AM

Trust me, the fail safe system is the same for '84. 74F on the CHTS and 2200 RPM for the AFM - its the same failsafe fuel/ign map.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: cabbottz31
Date: August 20, 03:23PM

Well i checked the plug wires and they're all right. Did a spark test and i have spark. So i have fuel, i have spark, so that leaves air? Where do i need to look>

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 03:29PM

you need to look for the intake system to be sealed and being metered correctly through the output of the AFM.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: cabbottz31
Date: August 20, 03:32PM

Ok I've been looking it looks alright and all hose clamps are tight.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: red october
Date: August 20, 04:35PM

do a pressure leak test

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: THANKS MR. K
Date: August 20, 05:55PM

check your cas?

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: cabbottz31
Date: August 20, 06:00PM

CAS is good. I'm thinkin its a timing issue.

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: cabbottz31
Date: August 20, 06:02PM

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: swampman
Date: August 21, 01:33AM

Are all the ground straps on?

Do you have any ECU codes?

If you have not touched any of the timing it cannot be the timing, however have you messed with anything apart from the Leads FPR and fuel injectors?

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Re: Not Starting!!
Posted by: Mister_T
Date: August 21, 06:36AM

If ECU codes have not been retrieved yet, why not?

If the distributor was not removed during the injector work then nothing should have changed in the timing.
I would be inclined to connect a noid light to each of the connectors on the injector harness to ensure that all injectors are getting power and ground pulse.
Moving an old, baked harness around can trigger random and unhappy results.


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